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Sermon series on the supremacy of Christ, playing off of the Bourne movie poster. "There was ALWAYS just One." Would love to hear your thoughts
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10 months ago
I really like the sermon series concept, but I'm a little iffy on how much this (white) Jesus looks like a movie star...but maybe high schoolers will lose interest if he's not a hunk. The rifle scope theme of the original Bourne Supremacy movie posters is of course inappropriate, however I would have liked your visual to tie in somehow - but maybe I'm missing the significance of the broken horizontal bars you used. The B&W is dramatic, like the movies, so good tone-setting there.
Thanks Laura. If you would google "the Bourne Legacy" poster, you will see that the black bars tie in completely. That is where I got the idea.
10 months ago
Awesome, I just saw the word "supremacy" in your description and assumed wrong. Looks good.
Hey Keith, shoot i dont want this to come across harsh.
my only thought is that I'd be so so careful with some of these "based on" series. The reality is you can't go wrong with the graphics since its such a "rip off" (thats maybe too strong a phrase but that is what you're doing) - in a youth group you'll never get chased down for plagiarism, but in the marketing world you would. I realize churches love doing this, and like I said, probably no one will care enough to make a big deal out of it, but I really don't think its setting a great precedent (especially for kids who probably don't understand that not everything they find on the internet is up for grabs!). So I'm issuing a challenge: consider whether there is a way to communicate the next message that creates original work that you can take pride in. Fair?
my only thought is that I'd be so so careful with some of these "based on" series. The reality is you can't go wrong with the graphics since its such a "rip off" (thats maybe too strong a phrase but that is what you're doing) - in a youth group you'll never get chased down for plagiarism, but in the marketing world you would. I realize churches love doing this, and like I said, probably no one will care enough to make a big deal out of it, but I really don't think its setting a great precedent (especially for kids who probably don't understand that not everything they find on the internet is up for grabs!). So I'm issuing a challenge: consider whether there is a way to communicate the next message that creates original work that you can take pride in. Fair?
I would disagree. There is no copyright on Helvetica font or black bars. Everything I made is created by me (except the pic of Jesus). Just borrowed the look to harken to the movie. Also should be noted it's the first time I've EVER done that.
I was really looking for "critique" of the image - how could I make it better, use the negative space at the bottom left more effectively, colors, gradients. Instead, I feel like you're questioning my integrity and that I'm teaching students to plagiarize. My mommy said if you don't have anything nice to say... :)
I should probably temper my response by saying this has been one of the toughest weeks EVER in my ministry, and so I apologize if I came across snarky above. Not my intention, but I'm not sure your remarks were kind or helpful.
I was really looking for "critique" of the image - how could I make it better, use the negative space at the bottom left more effectively, colors, gradients. Instead, I feel like you're questioning my integrity and that I'm teaching students to plagiarize. My mommy said if you don't have anything nice to say... :)
I should probably temper my response by saying this has been one of the toughest weeks EVER in my ministry, and so I apologize if I came across snarky above. Not my intention, but I'm not sure your remarks were kind or helpful.
Unfortunately, ripping off popular culture has become an acceptable trend in Christian marketing (look at the Christian t-shirt industry for sad examples). There is a strong negative backlash against that sort of thing amongst designers who are trying to use their creativity to bring glory to God while steering clear of treading on the eighth commandment.
That said, can you really take credit for "creating" the image. You brought the necessary technical skills to the table to "re-create" the Bourne poster (albeit in a horizontal format vs. the original vertical one), but it wouldn't be fail to claim a right to the creative processe that went in to the poster BEFORE it made the jump from conceptual to reality. You pretty much just invested your time and technical skills to replace the picture of Jeremy Renner with one of caucasian Jesus.
I dont' consider this in the same arena as doing a tutorial, in which someone invests the time to unpack their creative process and demonstrate skills for the benefit of teaching others new techniques.
As designers, I believe it is our responsibility to constantly be on guard against creating work that is too close to its inspiration. If you really like something (like the Bourne poster), take the concept and tweak it, inject some of your own creativity into it that gives a nod to the original but doesn't scream copycat.
That said, I can see a lot of this sort of thing in my earlier works. Sometimes it was intentional (as an homage to great design), but often I was just trying to develop my technical skills and using someone else's creativity so I didn't have to think so much. I've left a lot of that stuff up at my old blog so that every time I go back and look at it, I'm horrified and it encourages me to strive harder to exercise my creativity.
I hope you don't take this as harsh. Please understand the perspective that we're coming from. Glowing reviews dont' make better designers, but honest critiques (when taken to heart) go a long way toward helping each of us grow.
That said, can you really take credit for "creating" the image. You brought the necessary technical skills to the table to "re-create" the Bourne poster (albeit in a horizontal format vs. the original vertical one), but it wouldn't be fail to claim a right to the creative processe that went in to the poster BEFORE it made the jump from conceptual to reality. You pretty much just invested your time and technical skills to replace the picture of Jeremy Renner with one of caucasian Jesus.
I dont' consider this in the same arena as doing a tutorial, in which someone invests the time to unpack their creative process and demonstrate skills for the benefit of teaching others new techniques.
As designers, I believe it is our responsibility to constantly be on guard against creating work that is too close to its inspiration. If you really like something (like the Bourne poster), take the concept and tweak it, inject some of your own creativity into it that gives a nod to the original but doesn't scream copycat.
That said, I can see a lot of this sort of thing in my earlier works. Sometimes it was intentional (as an homage to great design), but often I was just trying to develop my technical skills and using someone else's creativity so I didn't have to think so much. I've left a lot of that stuff up at my old blog so that every time I go back and look at it, I'm horrified and it encourages me to strive harder to exercise my creativity.
I hope you don't take this as harsh. Please understand the perspective that we're coming from. Glowing reviews dont' make better designers, but honest critiques (when taken to heart) go a long way toward helping each of us grow.
Hey Robert, thanks for your words. I hear you, and understand that we cannot be plagiarizing things, and should seek our own creativity. I hear you loud and clear. I'll be honest, we had to remove a staff member from our church due to impropriety this week, and I'm probably not in the right frame of mind to be hearing negative comments. However, here are a couple things to note:
1. I'm not a full-time designer, but a full-time Youth Minister.
2. I'm not selling this or making any profit from it whatsoever.
3. I am simply using this as a 6-week series in our Youth Ministry, and our ministry only. About 75 students will see this.
4. This is the first time in 13 years of ministry that I've done something like this (pulling artwork so closely with a cultural reference).
I used to love CreativeMYK, where the vibe in the Critique section was very positive, constructive, and helpful. When the new site came, not only is it much more difficult to navigate to and utilize the Critique section, but it seems the designers stopped caring about people and their feelings and more about the "process" and sounding knowledgeable.
While I love designing things for our ministries, and appreciate constructive criticism, I am fairly certain my days on the Critique board are nearing an end.
God bless
1. I'm not a full-time designer, but a full-time Youth Minister.
2. I'm not selling this or making any profit from it whatsoever.
3. I am simply using this as a 6-week series in our Youth Ministry, and our ministry only. About 75 students will see this.
4. This is the first time in 13 years of ministry that I've done something like this (pulling artwork so closely with a cultural reference).
I used to love CreativeMYK, where the vibe in the Critique section was very positive, constructive, and helpful. When the new site came, not only is it much more difficult to navigate to and utilize the Critique section, but it seems the designers stopped caring about people and their feelings and more about the "process" and sounding knowledgeable.
While I love designing things for our ministries, and appreciate constructive criticism, I am fairly certain my days on the Critique board are nearing an end.
God bless
Keith,
I'll start by saying, thanks for your honest response. It's very difficult to put something out there that you invested yourself in and listen to people like me tell you that it's a ripoff. I didn't intend for my comments to come across as a critique of your character. I obviously didn't have the full picture of your situation and I'm not going to put the burden of misunderstanding on your shoulders...I could have voiced my position more gracefully.
In short, Rich gave you some solid and helpful advice. Ignore what I said and read through what he said a few times, you'll be the better for it.
It takes a lot of guts to throw something out here on the board and I applaud you for it. Notice in the next to last paragraph of my previous reply that I stated I've been guilty of ripping stuff myself. The tone of my comments was intended more self-reflectory than accusing toward you. My apologies for adding to the weight you're already carrying right now.
I'll start by saying, thanks for your honest response. It's very difficult to put something out there that you invested yourself in and listen to people like me tell you that it's a ripoff. I didn't intend for my comments to come across as a critique of your character. I obviously didn't have the full picture of your situation and I'm not going to put the burden of misunderstanding on your shoulders...I could have voiced my position more gracefully.
In short, Rich gave you some solid and helpful advice. Ignore what I said and read through what he said a few times, you'll be the better for it.
It takes a lot of guts to throw something out here on the board and I applaud you for it. Notice in the next to last paragraph of my previous reply that I stated I've been guilty of ripping stuff myself. The tone of my comments was intended more self-reflectory than accusing toward you. My apologies for adding to the weight you're already carrying right now.
Hey Robert, thanks, man. I do apologize for my harsh reply. Again, tough week last week.
I appreciate your thoughts, and your commitment to artistic integrity. Check out some of my other work, and you'll hopefully see that I'm not in the biz of "ripping stuff off." I hope you know I'm as committed to that as you are.
Keep up the great work.
I appreciate your thoughts, and your commitment to artistic integrity. Check out some of my other work, and you'll hopefully see that I'm not in the biz of "ripping stuff off." I hope you know I'm as committed to that as you are.
Keep up the great work.
By the way, props to you on the full-time youth minister gig. I did that role for about five years before I slipped out and got back into design while I still had all my hair.
Checked out your site linked from your profile and I wanted to say you have some really nice stuff there.
Don't worry about your responses to me; no offense taken on this end.
Checked out your site linked from your profile and I wanted to say you have some really nice stuff there.
Don't worry about your responses to me; no offense taken on this end.
Thanks, Robert. Appreciate the grace. I've got a new piece on the critique board, and I promise it doesn't look like a current movie poster:) Check it out - would love to hear your thoughts.
God bless.
God bless.
Ha! Hey Keith, do you have any jaw left!!!
Lol, all mean well and bring valid points to the conversation. Gotta love it when us creatives tell you what we are thinking ey?
Graphically, I think it is a solid piece. But, I also think that it is to simple. Not necessarily eye catching. If the intent is to have people relate the image to the movie, you might want to consider making the slide more of a movie themed or layed out slide. If you know what i am mean? Make it a 1280 shot and make the image the center of the slide with neg. space around the mark or main comp....
As it stands right now, it is too big of an image to see what all of it means and people will pass right on b it and not even give it another look. Which is a shame because like I said you have a solid graphic here.
Rework this puppy and see what you can come up with brotha! Miss seeing you on here. Glad you stopped by!
Keep hustling bro!
~ Rich
Lol, all mean well and bring valid points to the conversation. Gotta love it when us creatives tell you what we are thinking ey?
Graphically, I think it is a solid piece. But, I also think that it is to simple. Not necessarily eye catching. If the intent is to have people relate the image to the movie, you might want to consider making the slide more of a movie themed or layed out slide. If you know what i am mean? Make it a 1280 shot and make the image the center of the slide with neg. space around the mark or main comp....
As it stands right now, it is too big of an image to see what all of it means and people will pass right on b it and not even give it another look. Which is a shame because like I said you have a solid graphic here.
Rework this puppy and see what you can come up with brotha! Miss seeing you on here. Glad you stopped by!
Keep hustling bro!
~ Rich
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Hi Keith, I'm sorry you feel that way! And thank you for explaining your response as well. I need to say that some of my first critiques on my design work were exactly this. I started officially in design in a church and the reality is (like Robert said) we see so much of this (duplicating pop culture imagery) we think its OK.
I think as I've grown in my skills and career and become more aware of this kind of thing I've become more protective (as many artists are). As I tried to communicate, I realize you're working in the church and you can get away with it. I never meant to tell you that you were doing a terrible job or that you were ruining your kids - just that in the interest of making a designer better (which is the purpose of these critique boards from my perspective) I was challenging your artistic vision.
I hope you can wade through the events of the week and take this for what I meant it to be: a helpful critique of the designer in you, not you as a person or you as a youth leader (which does change things since you're not a full time designer and artistic improvement is not necessarily your end goal).
I think as I've grown in my skills and career and become more aware of this kind of thing I've become more protective (as many artists are). As I tried to communicate, I realize you're working in the church and you can get away with it. I never meant to tell you that you were doing a terrible job or that you were ruining your kids - just that in the interest of making a designer better (which is the purpose of these critique boards from my perspective) I was challenging your artistic vision.
I hope you can wade through the events of the week and take this for what I meant it to be: a helpful critique of the designer in you, not you as a person or you as a youth leader (which does change things since you're not a full time designer and artistic improvement is not necessarily your end goal).
Thanks, Laura. I appreciate your words, and the heart with which I know you intended them. Sometimes, timing is everything, and I was reading your critique as I was also preparing the announcement for Sunday about our intern's moral failure. So, suffice it to say, my frame of mind was not in the ideal place to take criticism.
I agree with you that we must be careful with such things. I have a graphic design business as a moonlighting gig, so I DO want to grow artistically, but it's definitely not my main goal in life. And hopefully, if you look at any of my other work on this site, you will see that I do seek artistic creativity on every occasion. This particular series lent itself to "borrowing" cultural reference, so I went with the inspiration. Trust me when I say that I know well enough to ever sell this image or one like it - to me, that would be the ethical line.
Appreciate your help - working on another project I'll be uploading later, and would love to hear your thoughts.
I agree with you that we must be careful with such things. I have a graphic design business as a moonlighting gig, so I DO want to grow artistically, but it's definitely not my main goal in life. And hopefully, if you look at any of my other work on this site, you will see that I do seek artistic creativity on every occasion. This particular series lent itself to "borrowing" cultural reference, so I went with the inspiration. Trust me when I say that I know well enough to ever sell this image or one like it - to me, that would be the ethical line.
Appreciate your help - working on another project I'll be uploading later, and would love to hear your thoughts.
